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Agreed, Sapolsky wins hands down when it comes to recognizing luck. This is from my review of Just Deserts, a written debate on free will between Dennett and Gregg Caruso:

"Of course, some folks end up morally competent (know right from wrong, are basically rational) but also morally flawed: they habitually or occasionally do the wrong thing. Are they blameworthy for ending up that way? Dennett says yes since most biologically normal humans develop self-making capacities and can be held responsible – blamed – for not exercising them correctly. Even those growing up in tough environments have a good chance, he says, to eventually possess sufficient competence for correct self-formation: “…it is worth reminding ourselves that in some cases – maybe most cases – the very hardships and injustices and assaults they endured hastened their achievement of self-control and responsibility.” (74, emphasis added). Data from many sources contradict this claim: trauma, violence, and abuse in childhood and adolescence often compromise the brain-based capacities for impulse control while modeling anti-social behavioral styles often adopted by victims as coping strategies.[9] Are such individuals really to blame for their deficits in self-control and for having imbibed defective moral norms? You decide."

Determinists should acknowledge up front that there's no way anyone could have turned out otherwise given their formative circumstances, genetic and environmental (any randomness aside, for which they can't be credited or blamed). Sapolsky makes this clear and draws out the humanitarian implications in his book "Determined," while Dennett often downplays the causal story, too bad...

https://www.naturalism.org/resources/book-reviews/responsibility-in-question-caruso-and-dennetts-just-deserts

Rainbow Roxy's avatar

Couldn't agree more. You really nail Dennett's argument about our brains doing the choosing. It's such a powerfull way to think about agency, even with determinism in the mix. Makes me consider how we're wired, literally. Thanks for laying this out so clearly!

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